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Enter all your chords. Then, select the entire piece. Go to Notations > Noteheads > Type and select the size you want from the gallery.

louistucci Posts: 2 Joined: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:58 pm Sibelius Version: 7 Operating System: Mac

by louistucci » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:33 am

Thanks very much!!!

andyg Posts: 1713 Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:55 pm Sibelius Version: 7.1.3 and 6.2 Operating System: Windows

by andyg » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:56 am

That's not the way to go!

To change chord symbol size, go to Engraving Rules > Chord Symbols > Edit Text Styles

You'll see the options for all the parameters governing chord symbols, including size in the full score and parts. You can set this before you start entering chords, or you can enter your chords, filter and select them all and then change the size.

Of course, if you want to change the actual size of everything in the score, but keeping each thing the same size relative to one another, then simply change the Staff Size in Layout.

If you want your own sized notes, chord symbols etc every time, export a House Style or Manuscript Paper with the settings.

MisterBebop Posts: 10 Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:42 pm Sibelius Version: Ultimate Operating System: Windows

by MisterBebop » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:06 pm

Where do I find Engraving Rules?

MikeLyons Posts: 1585 Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:20 pm Sibelius Version: Ult. 2021.12/7.5/6.2 Operating System: Windows

by MikeLyons » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:12 am

Here:.

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If you don't know where anything is, can I suggest you read the manual? Press F1 with Sibelius open (or click the little ? at top right) it contains all sorts of useful info, including a comprehensive list of keyboard shortcuts, some examples of things you need to know and an active index.

It's reasonably well written and has a lot of what you need to know. There's nothing stopping you having it open in the bckgroound when sib is running so you can refer to it on-the-fly.

Sib 6.2, 7.5 and 2023.6, Windows 11, 32GB RAM, 16TB 7200RPM Storage, 2TB SSD, Note Performer 3.3.2, EWQLSO, EWQLSC, Harmony Assistant and some others. [email protected]

The vertical position page of the text style dialog doesn't apply to staff text like chord symbols.

-- Martin

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by John Weisiger - 09 May 02:23AM Well the chord symbol is still attached to the same note/beat. I'll set the default vertical position to 1.5, and when I hit cmd + K and start typing, the chord enters with a height of 1.5. The problem is when I select that same chord and hit "reset position," it defaults to a vertical position of 2.5.

-- John Weisiger Mac OS X Lion Sibelius 7 Focusrite Saffire Pro 24

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 09 May 07:11AM John,

I recently discovered a similar problem. I prefer to set the horizontal position of chord symbols to left align, and the horizontal default position to -0.5.

When I enter chord symbols, they have the desired horizontal position of -0.5 (see pic1).

When I select all chord symbols and enter the keyboard shortcut for reset position (control-shift-P), the chord symbols move to a horizontal position of 0 as if I didn’t change the default horizontal position to -0.5 (see pic2).

I wonder if this is a bug? (I’m using version 7.1.2)

Greetings,

Stefaan

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 09 May 08:54AM (edited 09 May 09:14AM) Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your reply. I must admit I only changed the default position of chord symbols under 'Text Styles', because this gives the desired position when I enter chord symbols.

Based on your reply, I tried the opposite: I changed the default position of chord symbols under 'Other objects' to -0.5, and under 'Text styles' back to 0. Then the opposite happens: when I enter chord symbols, they have a horizontal position of 0, and after entering the keyboard shortcut for 'Reset position' they move to a horzontal position of -0.5.

Only when I change the default position of chord symbols under 'Text styles' as well as under 'Other objects', the horizontal position is -0.5 when I enter chord symbols, and stays -0.5 when I enter the keyboard shortcut for 'Reset position'. This seems to be the solution to my problem, but all in all it feels weird to have to change the default position of chord symbols in two different places (it feels like something is not behaving the way it should).

I wonder if this is also the answer to John's problem? Maybe John should change the default vertical position of chord symbols under 'Text styles' as well as under 'Other objects'?

Greetings,

Stefaan

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 09 May 06:59PM I just checked the behaviour of legacy chord symbols. Changing the default position under 'Other objects' doesn't affect their position at all. When changing the default position under 'Text styles', legacy chord symbols appear in the desired place both when entered and when repositioned.

As I mentioned before, for 'normal' chord symbols to appear in the desired position both when entered and when repositioned, one should change the default position under both options, 'Text styles' and 'Other objects'.

One would indeed expect that one option would apply to one type of chord symbols, and the other option to the other type of chord symbols.

Stefaan

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 09 May 08:25PM > I don;t believe that changing the positioning for the Chord Symbol text style will have any effect on New chord symbols. \> \> -- \> Bob

Bob, whether you believe it or not, changing the default position of the Chord Symbol text style does affect the position of New chord symbols, as I explained above.

Stefaan

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Richard Vitale - 09 May 09:09PM (edited 09 May 09:13PM) Doing a VERY quick check of positioning Chord Symbols I found: Legacy Chords: Default Position>Text styles radio button>Chord Symbol Horiz Pos Relative to Note Vert Post Relative to Staff both work.

New Chords: Default Position>Other Objects radio button>Chord Symbol Horiz Pos Relative to Note Vert Post Relative to Staff both work.

At least thats what I'm getting on my current score :-)

I do remember doing what Stefaan reports a while back, going to two different areas to make a change, but I'm not having that issue now.

(I usually set up a score and use it as a template by copying the score and erasing previous work, so I make these settings once.)

-- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.2 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion 4 GB RAM http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 09 May 09:44PM (edited 09 May 10:03PM) Bob, I hope I didn't sound too harsh, bear in mind that English is not my native language ;-)

Richard, I don't think we're talking about two different areas. I think we're talking about two different actions: entering chords, and resetting their position. You say:

New Chords: Default Position>Other Objects radio button>Chord Symbol Horiz Pos Relative to Note Vert Post Relative to Staff both work.

I don't agree. This only affects the repositioning of New Chords after entering them, but it doesn't affect the position of New Chords when entering them (with control-K), and that's what 'default position' is about, isn't it? To get New Chords in the right position when entering them, you need to change Appearance>Design and Position>Text styles radio button>Chord symbol.

I hope I manage to explain what I'm talking about? ;-)

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Martin P. Kellogg - 09 May 11:29PM Well, Bob and I have both learned something. It is indeed the case that chord symbols (the "new" variety) are positioned according to the parameters for chord symbol text when created, and chord symbol (other) objects when their position is reset. These are not even the same in standard house styles, although the difference is so slight that it's unlikely to be noticed unless the parameters are changed.

Probably logical in some mysterious way, but certainly confusing.

-- Martin

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Richard Vitale - 10 May 12:36AM > Richard, I don't think we're talking about two different areas. I think we're talking about two different actions: entering chords, and resetting their position. You say: \> New Chords: \> Default Position>Other Objects radio button>Chord Symbol \> Horiz Pos Relative to Note \> Vert Post Relative to Staff \> both work. \> I don't agree. This only affects the repositioning of New Chords after entering them, but it doesn't affect the position of New Chords when entering them (with control-K), and that's what 'default position' is about, isn't it? To get New Chords in the right position when entering them, you need to change Appearance>Design and Position>Text styles radio button>Chord symbol. \> I hope I manage to explain what I'm talking about? ;-)

-- Yes, as I said I thought there was something I remember about entering values in two different places.

I was talking about repositioning chords and not ENTERING chords.

I'll confirm (or not) the behavior in a day or two on my computer and score :-)

-- Richie Vitale-Sib 7.1.2 User iMac 2.66 Ghz Intel/Lion 4 GB RAM http://www.youtube.com/user/richievitale

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Re: Sib. 7.1: Chord Symbols - Default Positions Posted by Stefaan Debevere - 10 May 07:04AM Richard, I hope you don't mind if in the meantime I raise a related question about the value for the default vertical positioning of New Chords.

The horizontal positioning I understand: entering the same value under Text style>Chord symbol and under Other objects>Chord symbol produces the same result for creating New Chords (text style) and repositioning New Chords (other objects).

The behaviour of the vertical positioning I don't understand: the standard values of 2.5 under Text style>Chord symbol and 4.5 under Other objects>Chord symbol produce the same result for creating New Chords (text style) and repositioning New Chords (other objects). When leaving the value of 2.5 under Text style>Chord symbol and changing the value under Other objects>Chord symbol to 2.5, the chord symbols are created in the standard position, but move to a lower position when resetting their position. How can one value which determines the ‘Vertical position relative to staff’ produce a different result in Other objects>Chord symbol than it does in Text style>Chord symbol?